Torre: Post-2001 Teams Not Tough Enough

From Neil Best:

That the Yankees of the former manager’s final six seasons were a self-absorbed, overpaid imitation of the famously gritty bunch that brought him four rings in his first six years.

“It was just not an unselfish team,” Torre says of the revelation that hit him in 2002.

“The team wasn’t tough enough . . . A lot of those players are more concerned about what it looks like as opposed to getting dirty and just getting it done. Those other teams, they were ferocious.”

I find this line of reasoning to be both frustrating and ridiculous. It comes from the same school of logic as the old canard that only “True Yankees” win championships due to their grit and guttiness, while high priced mercenaries such as Alex Rodriguez will always come up short. Worse yet is that it is now coming from the manager, which lends an air of legitimacy to a weak argument. As Rob Neyer succinctly puts it:

Beginning in 1996, the Yankees won four World Series in five years. In those five years, they averaged 97 wins.
In the eight years since, of course, the Yankees have won zero World Series. Incidentally, in those same eight years they’ve averaged 97 wins.
There’s no question that mistakes were made after 2000. Every franchise makes mistakes. There’s also no question that they’ve picked up some prima donnas, some of whom didn’t play much defense.
But until someone can explain to me why those same factors that produce 97 wins a season work so well from April through September but suddenly fall flat in October, I’m going to assume that the Yankees were (1) overly lucky from 1996 through 2000 and (2) overly unlucky from 2001 through 2007.

Exactly. The whole grit and toughness argument does not stand up to the most rudimentary of analyses. Does it really make sense that those teams were equally tough in regard to the regular season, but had a wild grit disparity when the playoffs rolled around? That the 2002 Yankees were gritty enough to win 103 games but not the World Series, or that the 2003 Yankees were tough enough to take a 2-1 Series lead but not win the whole shebang? I find it to be highly unlikely that the post-2001 players got dirty and got it done, to use Joe’s words, during the regular season, but decided upon the start of postseason play that getting dirty was not for them. 

Of course, you could make the argument that those teams choked under pressure. However, that would be a knock on the manager, would it not? Joe is certainly not going to disparage the job that he did, nor will he ever take the blame for some of his poor moves during those postseasons. Ultimately, the short series means that often the best team will not prevail, and the Yankees have come out on the short end of the stick for a few years that happen to follow a run of great luck. It had nothing to do with toughness, and Joe should know better.

0 thoughts on “Torre: Post-2001 Teams Not Tough Enough

  1. So much for ‘keep it in the clubhouse’.

    Torre started his self-promotion his first year here,taking credit for the high character clubhouse that Stick and Buck had built. Down through the years he’s done many of the same things-taking credit for the good things and blaming the bad on certain players in the press. Hopefully, this new book will allow the scales to fall off of some eyes so they can see this guy for what he really is.

    • I think you are being a bit harsh on Joe, but I agree in regard to the fact that I dont remember him ever questioning any of his poor decisions. If Alex was uncomfortable here and had a feud with Jeter, isnt that Joe’s jon to deal with?

  2. I don’t know if the greater motivation was revenge on the Steinbrenners or the $2 million advance but Torre’s book will undo every bit of the image he had carefully constructed during his Yankees years. The degree of entitlement and self-conceit displayed in this tome is shocking even to his detractors. Not to be sympathetic in any way but I hope Torre can now appreciate how completely and calculatingly Verducci used him to enrich himself and grind the axes of his Yankee-hatred. Choose your friends as carefully as you choose your enemies, Joe.

    • Yeah, it seems like Joe was not clear as to what was going on here, or thought people would distinguish between what he said and Verducci said. Too bad Joe, you pocket the cash, you take the blame, it is really that simple.

  3. I wonder how much Lupica(Steinbrenner hater # 1)was underbid by Verducci to write the book? Probably his ego wouldn’t accept taking the 20% of the advance Verducci signed off on.

    • If Lupica had written the book, it would be a 1200 page tome about steroids and how the Yankees were the only team with users.