Discussion: Hall of Fame Ballot Debuts

The 2011 Hall of Fame Ballot was released today. I’ve broken up the candidates into 3 groups: those I think should get in, those who have a case, and those who have no chance. Chime in with your list in the comments. I’ll discuss the borderline candidates in greater detail over the next few weeks.

No Chance
John Olerud
BJ Surhoff
Marquis Grissom
John Franco
Bret Boone
Al Leiter
Benito Santiago
Carlos Baerga
Raul Mondesi
Bobby Higginson
Wilson Alvarez
Rey Sanchez
Charles Johnson
Jose Offerman
Ugueth Urbina
Ismael Valdez
Dan Wilson
Paul Quantrill
Cal Eldred
Kirk Reuter
Steve Reed
Harold Baines
Juan Gonzalez
Tino Martinez

Has A Case
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Rafael Palmeiro
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
Lee Smith
Larry Walker
Kevin Brown

Should Get In
Roberto Alomar
Jeff Bagwell
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Mark McGwire

0 thoughts on “Discussion: Hall of Fame Ballot Debuts

  1. Edgar Martinez has no real chance at getting in he put up some great numbers but he didn’t give value to his club in any other way than with the bat and to me if you are going to put a pretty much career DH in the hall his numbers have to be so outstanding and so Ruthian that there is no question of their value.

    Kevin Brown whether he should or not will never make it and you can put Mcgwire in the no chance category as well, he had a good career hitting HRs but Mark isn’t even in the same league with Bonds or Alex Rodriguez and thus it’s much harder to say what he would be if it weren’t for steroids, I also think his “confession” will hurt his chances if he ever had any because he didn’t actually take any blame wether it’s right or not the sports writers want more than “I did it and it never helped me” I mean the guy said he would have the exact same numbers without juice.

    With Alex and Bonds you know that you have HOF guys who just happened to take steroids at one point in their career but with Mark is he a hall of famer without 500 HRs? No, would he have 500 without steroids? Probably not from just a health perspective…. I mean he is in the same category as Mark Reynolds and Carlos Pena for having 25+ HRs and a sub .200 BA.

    What do I know though I thought Alomar should have been a guaranteed first ballot hall of famer and I still can’t believe Blyleven isn’t in, the whole thing is a sham really I mean seriously it’s the “hall of fame” yet Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson aren’t in and most likely Bonds and Arod never will be.

  2. I know wins aren’t everything and they seem to become more irrelavent every day but how can the winningest player of the 80’s and a man who pitched 10 scoreless innings in game 7 of the World Series not be in the Hall? Jack Morris may not have the best ERA ever (3.9 career) but this was a guy who cared not about stats or personal achievements but soley cared about winning. Morris didn’t care if he won the game 1-0 or 12-7 just so long as the team won the game and when he had to the man was a bear trap notting letting a run escape his grasp, Morris is more than deserving of the hall of fame and is IMO a better pitcher than Bert Blyleven who also deserves to be in.

  3. Come on, no love for Ugy Urbina? You’re telling me that hiring someone to kill another person doesn’t get you in the Hall of Fame?

  4. After a lot of discussion on Twitter, I think it is fair to say that if I made one mistake here, it is that Olerud should be in the “has a case” category. I underrated him, and I bet the voters will as well.

  5. Over the prime years of Morris’ career which I defined as being the 6 best consecutive years of his career before his first drop off due to age Morris stacks up well enough to belong in the Hall of Fame, over that time he racked up 1559 IP to the tune of a 3.46 ERA with a win-loss record of 109-67 while having a respectable 6.8 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, 2.2 K/BB ratio with a WAR in that time of 22. He ended his career with 2479 Ks, 254 Ws and 175 CGs.

    After doing all the numbers on Bert and his prime years he is in fact the better pitcher between the two and the comparison was a bad one after reviewing the numbers (however it reinforced my outrage that Bert still isn’t in the hall himself) but there is clearly more than a case for Morris being in the HOF, for the better part of a decade he was one of the best pitchers in baseball and he helped his team win in the playoffs and regular season at an exceptional level late into his career.

  6. Kevin Brown had 6 seasons with a 3.00 ERA or below after age 32? Aren’t pitchers suppose to wear down with age? Haha maybe he can give Cliff Lee some “lessons” on prolonging glory late haha.

  7. I agree, I would not vote for him. But he has a better case than I thought upon first glance.  

    Looking at his numbers I was a little surprised to see that .390 OBP and I didn’t realize he slugged that well for his career, I guess the further away from his prime he got the more he gets remembered for being a bench player and his accident in the field.

  8. Good list. I might throw Walker and Brown into the list of deserving people, but all the tiers seem accurate imo.

  9. Over the prime years of Morris’ career which I defined as being the 6 best consecutive years of his career before his first drop off due to age Morris stacks up well enough to belong in the Hall of Fame, over that time he racked up 1559 IP to the tune of a 3.46 ERA with a win-loss record of 109-67 while having a respectable 6.8 K/9, 3.1 BB/9, 2.2 K/BB ratio with a WAR in that time of 22. He ended his career with 2479 Ks, 254 Ws and 175 CGs.After doing all the numbers on Bert and his prime years he is in fact the better pitcher between the two and the comparison was a bad one after reviewing the numbers (however it reinforced my outrage that Bert still isn’t in the hall himself) but there is clearly more than a case for Morris being in the HOF, for the better part of a decade he was one of the best pitchers in baseball and he helped his team win in the playoffs and regular season at an exceptional level late into his career.  (Quote)

    If all you look at are the 6 best seasons then Donnie, Bernie, Albert Belle and Mo Vaughn all belong in the Hall.