Hopefully where ever he is, he's got some people who understands him. I just hope that his family understands that he's gone to a (probably) better place.
I never could fully grasp the conecpt of dying being a "better place" I know there are religious undertones to that, but let's just say hypothetically, that there is no such thing as heaven. Regardless of whether there is or isn't, Judaism and some Christian sects preach that suicide is a sin punished by eternal damnation. How is hell better than living? Problems usually have some sort of resolution to them if one takes the time to figure them out and/or asks for help. I mean when people have a terminal illness and are suffering then obviously that is a different story. But people who are depressed and rather take their own lives than seek help, hurting the people who love and care about them in the process, are selfish. Not trying to attack you but I just think the statement "they are in a better place" is ignorant when people say it and it always irks me.
With all due respect, you obviously have no idea what clinical depression is.
Brien I have known plenty of people who have killed themselves and the reasons why they did so. I have seen first hand what it does to families, people who would have cut out their own hearts to help the person and people who have to struggle every day to find the strength to get out of bed because their son, daughter, cousin, whoever, is gone. I worked as a mental health aide for a few years when I was younger and saw first hand what clinical depression is about. My mother's best friend is bipolar and has severe depression, she walks around some days like a zombie and some days just does not get out of bed. She has a supportive husband and kids. Her life may be hell on some days but she fights it and knows that she would devestate her family if she killed herself. There have even been times recently where I have been so depressed that i could not get out of bed for days and have pondered if I would be better off dead. However I have a supportive family and a daughter whom would be left to suffer their own melancholy forever if I did something like that.
I'm not saying that suicide would not be the best choice for some individuals, but when other people will be affected forever by that decision, people who would be willing to do whatever they could to help, then that is selfish. Unless you are facing life in prison, have shamed yourself so badly that you can never show your face in public again, or are terminally ill then there is always a chance that tomorrow can bring a positive change. I never said that I didn't understand why people kill themselves, I just said that it is selfish. That person's grief may cease for them, but it has now passed on to all the people who are left to mourn them for the rest of their lives.
Again, you clearly don't know anything about depression. It's a medical condition, not simply a state of mind. Expecting someone suffering from it to think of people who will miss them is just asinine.
If you ever had that stretch where you get picked on as a little kid and wish that you'd hide in a hole until it gets better, at least it actually will get better. With Irabu, he's pretty much stuck in that bad rut and there's no way getting out of it. He's never going to get the chance to redeem himself. He was portrayed a bit too harsh by the media, and the fans gobbled up the hatred. Given his age, his life is going to go downhill at that point. I understand that you are coming from the "family and friends" point of view and I would be very upset too if one of my loved ones take their own life, but I'm just saying, if I truly believed that someone's life is just plain terrible, I would be a little happy for them, knowing that they don't have to suffer what they see as a hellhole anymore.
On a side note though, I may be very wrong on this, but he's Japanese, so based on their beliefs, he'd get reincarnated as something else, with no recollection of the past life, except a few deja vu moments here and there.
"iven his age, his life is going to go downhill at that point."
I hope you mean his life as a professional athlete, not his life as a person.
I doubt 99.999% of the population in this country has given ANY thought to Hideki Irabu since 2002. If I were to walk by him on the street last week, I probably would not even recognize him. From what I have read, he was upset that his wife left him and took the kids, I don't think it had much to do with baseball or else he would have done this 10 years ago. I'm sure more infomation will come out eventually as to what else was going on his life that would cause him to do this, but i seriously doubt it was because of baseball. I don't think his image in Japan was hurt by his performance in the states so he could have always moved back there to get away from his haters here.
Re: There's a time and place for everything. This is not the time.
Actually, my issue is the "place." Twitter was NOT the place to try to delve into Irabu's psyche post-humously. There's only so much you can squeeze into 140 characters, and if Sherman had a softer, underlying message, there's no way it was getting crammed in there.
I read several articles yesterday where Irabu's "issues" weren't swept under the rug, but were addressed with dignity and class. After all, as much as we like to be all Pollyana, if you're going to address a man's death, you can't omit "major" chunks of his life in doing so. (If Barry Bonds were to drop dead tomorrow, I'd find it the height of ridiculousness if an article completely glossed over his "surliness.") But with the luxury of space, it can be done in a respectful manner with all context intact.
I'm not defending Sherman. From what I've seen, even with 140 THOUSAND characters, he probably still would have been a douche about it. So he would have been better off saying nothing at all.
To echo your comments: Rest in peace, Hideki. I'll never know what demons haunted you in this life, but I hope you find peace from them in the next.
Talking bad about the deceased is in pretty bad taste, but so is talking bad about the living, which is what we all did about Irabu while he was alive. I think Brien touched on this in his post. Maybe that should be his legacy…lets tone down the personal attacks on atheletes that we don't know personally.
I agree. One reason I enjoy reading here is that there is very little or no personal abuse of players or posters. It seems obviously the right way to conduct discussions but it also seems not always to follow.
I will never forget the phenomenal unkindness of "fans" towards Dave Righetti when he went through a difficult spell as the closer in '88. I am not sure that "fairweather fan" is a term that has currency in the US. It refers to those who support the team, or its players, in good times and turn on it in bad. Weirdly, Steinbrenner was one – of the toxic kind that says "I've earned the right to be critical because I've spent $x". This kind of person is the kind that can only remember how disappointed they were with Irabu when they hear his name mentioned, regardless of the context.