Mo’s quiet milestone

Born in Southwestern Ohio and currently residing on the Chesapeake Bay, Brien is a former editor-in-chief of IIATMS who now spends most of his time sitting on his deck watching his tomatoes ripen and consuming far more MLB Network programming than is safe for one's health or sanity.

30 thoughts on “Mo’s quiet milestone

  1. john

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=nyy

    It's been under headlines for a few weeks now. It may make sense to check out the team site from time to time.

    • BrienJackson

      Honestly…not really. Anything you can get from the website you don't get from beat writers is mostly sales/promotional stuff. And though I see your point, that the team is promoting it doesn't really change the fact that's weird I haven't really seen people talking about it, like at all.

      • jay_robertson

        Whenever I catch a game on MLB.TV and Mo comes to the plate – the announcers mention it. Admittedly, that usually means the team of YES cheerleaders – but fwiw, THEY'RE sure keeping it to the front of everyone's mind.

        Or at least trying to.

  2. Amen.

    That is all.

  3. It has been a great year for achievements. My 9 nine year old son is a rabid Yankees fan, beacuse I have raised him right, and can't believe what he is seeing this year. I keep telling him to enjoy it yeas like this don't come along too often.

  4. I noticed Mo was getting close a couple weeks ago and have seen a few mentions of it, but have also been struck by how quiet the media has been. Especially relative to the noise made about Jeter's 3000th hit. Not that 3000 hits isn't something special, but Mo is going to become the second player to get 600 saves, tie the record at 601 and break the record at 602 – it's kind of crazy.

    • forged

      I'm guessing when he gets to 599, there will be a lot more in the press about it.

  5. Regis

    New York Newsday has been running a daily counter of his saves for some time now.

  6. Enigma

    Seems like there has been a graphic of the all time saves leader board during the telecast of the game showing him creeping up on Hoffman each time Mo has appeared for the last month or so.

    • BrienJackson

      Ah, well that could explain it. My MLB TV stream has been wonky of late, so I find myself watching the national television broadcasts or listening to John and Suzyn more often. And I'm blacked out of anything but MASN for all of the Orioles games.

  7. Devon G

    You know what's really funny? Just a couple of months ago, crazy Yankee fans were asking for David Robertson to close….

    Long live the Sandman.

    • bleedingyankeeblue

      long live the sandman.

  8. DOA

    It's been mentioned since the beginning of the year, and I saw it mentioned in the off season for milestones that could be reached in the upcoming season as well. And not just by the local media, but by national outlets as well.

    Maybe you should stop looking for anything and everything negative concerning the Yankees, and look for some positives from time to time.

    • BrienJackson

      What are you talking about? Since Verizon decided to get around to fixing our local internet connection I've written posts about how Bartolo Colon's struggles are being overblown, advising everyone to not get worked up over trading away Ian Kennedy or Freddy Garcia having a bad start, and noting that Mo's about to break the saves record.

      And to point out the obvious, I didn't say there had been no mention of it whatsoever, only that *I hadn't seen any mention of it lately*, and that I thought that was strange. Given that the mainstream media tends to drastically overvalue saves, he's setting the all-time mark, and just that it's Mariano Rivera, I would have thought there would be more hoopla surrounding it.

      • jay_robertson

        Not that you need any defending, but you are far from being a nabob of negativity.

        It is out there, but you're also correct – it isn't getting the full boat promo of DJ's 3,000th, or even the press given to this year's HR derby. Maybe, (just being superstitious here) its because they don't want to put any more pressure on Mo and have him semi-choke the way Alex or DJ did as they approached their milestones.

        If Jeter goes hitless for 19 at-bats before hitting 3k – no real big deal. Same if A-Rod goes 30 games without a home run. But if Rivera were to blow 10 saves in a row, the Yankees might not even make the playoffs.

        **Not that he would – I hope – but it is something to think about.

        • BrienJackson

          Yeah, I probably should have been more clear that I haven't watched too many games on YES lately, and I've pretty much learned how to tune out all of John and Suzyn's between pitch nonsense. I figured it wasn't like nobody had any idea he was getting close (I would assume the team knew, of course) I just thought there was surprisingly little to-do about it in the national media/blogosphere, all things considered.

      • DOA

        Sorry Brien, but I'm not the only one who has posted here feeling the tone of some of your posts and comments have been negative as of late. And yes, you should have been more clear.

  9. Dan

    I live in Detroit and don't follow the Yankees much, but occasionally come to the site when you're linked on Sweetspot. When I read this today, I was shocked as well. I've been hearing about Jeter fairly regularly since last year and have seen very few mentions of Mariano's record. How can they not feature an all-time record on sites like ESPN more regularly since it's coming up so soon??

  10. Joe

    Yes he is at 597 regular season, but he has over 40 in the post-season as well. If he were to retire today he would have already far overshadowed what Hoffman has done.

  11. Sam

    It seems too soon to make a big deal out of breaking a record just recently set. I had my own doubts about a 43+save season, waste of time that was.. his outings are getting more shaky but he can still bare down and throw darts where he needs them.

  12. zipzip

    Everyone has long expected Mo to retire with the all-time saves record, so while the feat is awesome it's nary a surprise.

    It's also Mo's personality. He isn't going to mke a big deal of it publicly.

    I hope Mo and Jeter go into the HOF together. What a proud day that would be for all of baseball.

  13. hny42

    Mariano Rivera is my favorite all-time athlete in any sport, and has been for a long time; as such it has been no surprise to me that he's closing in, and among my family and friends, we've been counting down for a while, looking at how many to 600, how many to 601, and how many to 602, each one a milestone. Mo would be the 2nd to reach 600, would then tie for the record, and would then have it all to himself, and every save after that would be the new record.

    The reason a bigger deal hasn't been made out of it, is that Mo has been considered the greatest closer/reliever of all-time for a long time already, and his greatness is mostly founded on his postseason success. Were he to retire with 100 less saves than Trevor Hoffman, he'd still be the greatest ever…hence, the record is just something that clears things up: the greatest closer ever SHOULD have the most saves in history.

    But Mo could play for 5 more years and get to 700 or 800 saves, and it still wouldn't change his legacy being based on the postseason. He has a 0.71 career postseason era, the best ever for pitchers who threw 30 or more innings in the playoffs. He is 2nd in playoff whip for those with 30 or more (1st with those over 36 IP). He has more than double the amount of playoff saves (42 to 18) as 2nd place Brad Lidge, and has the best WHIP for a single postseason, which he achieved in 2003. He has been on the mound at the end of more World Series than any pitcher in history with 5 times, his 4 victories also standing as the record.

    Quite frankly he is the greatest reliever/closer/ and postseason pitcher of ANY variety in the history of baseball. I consider him currently tied as the 4th greatest Yankee ever with Mickey Mantle (some may say blasphemy, but I disagree…on the same list, I have Jeter 7th…behind Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle/Mo, and Berra, and slightly ahead of Whitey Ford, also making Mo the greatest Yankee pitcher).

    He has set the bar so high that it is hard to recognize him for how truly and utterly brilliant he's been. Hopefully he'll get a LOT of recognition as he approaches and passes the record, with ESPN, MLB Network, and Sports Illustrated proclaiming again the incredible and legendary excellence of Mariano Rivera…I say again because they have many times before sung his praises: Peter Gammons called him the Cy Young AND MVP of baseball from 1996 to today. In fact, I hope that whenever he decides to hang it up, he announces his decision early in the season, so he can be given a proper send-off not just by the Yankees and us fans, but by the entire MLB community.

    We have been so very lucky to watch this man's career.

    • Hank

      I prefer to not look at the postseason ERA all that much anymore as I think people get numb to that number, instead I prefer the following ridiculousness…

      1) 11ER in 139.2 career postseaon inning…. 11 earned runs!

      To put the 11 runs in perspective… Cliff Lee gave up 9 ER in a little over 11.2 innings in the WS against the SF Giants last year.

      2) he's had only 2 postseasons where he's given up more than 1 ER for the entire postseason (out of I think 15 postseasons)

  14. Bill

    Let me just preface this by saying, "Mo is awesome" :

    I think part of the reason why the career saves leader is not a big deal is because… well… saves aren't that big of a deal. Many of the authors here have said as much. In my opinion, Mo will be #1 in a counting stat. Yes, it says a lot about his career (see preface). Yes, it shows that he has been extremely effective for a long time.

    However, I think that if the concept of a closer was more solidified years ago, then either Mariano would not be #1 yet or there would be a bigger deal made of it.

    If you look at the career saves leaders, something should jump out at you immediately. Most of players in the Top 10 started pitching in the 80s and some never even started a single game. This new "breed" of pitcher were immediately put into the closer role and had an entire career to earn saves. One of the exceptions to this is Eckersley who became a closer later in his career.

    I guess my point is… Mariano getting 602 saves can't hold a candle to Jeter's 3000 hits (I had to compare it something). In essence, Jeter joined a club that started over 100 years ago. Whereas Mariano has been already considered the elite closer and is solidifying his status amongst peers of THIS era of baseball and not the past 100+ years.

    With that said, we need the obligatory Rivera poster somewhere on here to wipe away these thoughts of mine.

    • BrienJackson

      Oh I definitely agree with you re: the worthlessness of the stat itself, but broadcasters, MSM writers, former player analysts, etc. all take it very seriously. So everything added up I just figured there would be a lot more hoopla by now.

  15. Alex

    Brien,

    You must not read any articles about Yankees games, either… it's mentioned in practically every game in which Mo appears. For example, from the Yanks-Sox series last week: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/francisco_

    • BrienJackson

      Not at all, no. I usually skim Carig's postgame notes or the LoHud recap, but skip ahead to the news bits.

  16. BobbyD

    II gotta say that this snuck up on me as well. Thanks for pointing it out.

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  18. waw

    We've been commenting on this at Pinstripe Alley all season in the gameday threads. The math worked out kind of neatly – 42 saves for #42 will tie him with Hoffman for the record.

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