Michael Pineda lost for season

39 thoughts on “Michael Pineda lost for season

  1. Paul Marino

    Let the carl pavano games begin.

  2. David

    This space for rent for "We could have had Montero instead of Ibanez" complaints in 3… 2… 1…

  3. michael

    Is shoulder surgery anything comparable to butt bruises?

  4. John

    But that doesn't mean the fans will acknowledge that and stop the calls for Cashman's head.

    Will, is there any info on other pitchers with this kind of injury and how they perform after recovering? I'm guessing this isn't nearly as serious as a torn rotator cuff.

    Feel really bad for Pineda. I hope he recovers and comes back stronger than ever. I wonder if he over pushed himself because of the pressure of being in New York.

    • williamjtasker

      John, Larry answered in the comment below.

    • RobM

      Chris Carpenter, Curt Schilling and Trevor Hoffman are examples of pitchers who came back. Mark Prior and Matt Clement are examples of those who did not.

      The good news is pitchers can and have fully recovered from this. The bad news is it's still shoulder surgery, which means Michael Pineda could be the answer to a trivia question years from now.

      • Depends on the severity. So yes, a return is certainly possible.

        Look, this sucks on a epic level, but no one is to blame. Shit happens. This time, to us. But calling for Cashman’s head and decrying the trade won’t help. Focus on the solutions.

  5. LarryAtIIATMS

    Labrum tears are serious. Really, really serious. http://slate.me/z74gHl.

    With all due respect for all of the caveats about every individual case being different, the generic category of labrum tears is a career threatening category of injury.

    • Mike

      Here's somewhat of a half depressing, half optimistic update on that article: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/4/25/2975264/michael

      The Bad: Biddle (the only successful labrum recovery they cited) was done a few months after that article was published.
      The Good: Chris Carpenter, Curt Schilling, and Ted Lilly have made successful comebacks after a labral tear.

      I can't really think of a worse injury for a pitcher though. Dammit.

      • LarryAtIIATMS

        Mike, thanks for locating that update.

      • RobM

        The good news is most of the examples of pitchers coming back from a torn labrum have been more recent and since Will Carroll's original article. They've gotten better at the procedure. The bad news is it's still bad.

        It's almost not even worth thinking about Pineda right now. When the Yankees enter the 2013 season, they can not save a spot for him. They will need to plan for a full five man rotation without him. He might come back, but there can be no planning and assumptions of a come back.

        Was Pineda damaged goods? Yes and No. I say Yes in that this injury was in the making and probably extended back to last year as his innings mounted and no doubt contributed to his decreased velocity this Spring. The full tear might not have occured until his last pitch of rehab, but the conditions were already in place. Yet the answer is No, because neither the Mariners or the Yankees knew he was a few pitches away from the labrum tearing.

      • Evan

        I really hope the organization looks at all methods for repairing and recovering from this.

        I'd like to see Pineda take one trip to Germany (or at least L.A.) and get the orthokine treatment (blood spinning), and one trip to the D.R. to visit Bartolo's doctor and get some stem cells.

        Hopefully the Yankees will look at all options, and really do their best to ensure that Pineda becomes the force that he was supposed to be, and not the disappointment he (sadly) appears to be.

    • Rich7041

      Holy $h*t, Larry! Did you hafta link to that article?! Ruined my night, right there.
      Hoping there have been some advances in the treatment since 2004.

    • John

      Thanks for answering the question Larry. Even if it wasn't the answer I was hoping for. Dammit.

      Well, I guess we'll see for sure in a year. Maybe he'll be another Carpenter.

    • RobM

      Will Carroll's general point in that article is correct (torn labrums are bad), although as he does reguarly, he either overstates, misleads, or leaves out key information in an effort to support his argument. He's a gas bag.

      • BrienJackson

        The article is also extremely dated, as the fact that Carroll spends quite a few words talking about how difficult a labral tear is to diagnose while the Yankees were able to spot Pineda's with a single MRI should kind of give away. Also, from what I can gather just from my memory, most of his disaster cases seem to involve pitchers who also had more serious shoulder problems (rotator cuff damage, torn shoulder capsule, etc.) in addition to the labral tear. Pineda is, as of now, said to have no further damage, and no rotator cuff problems at all.

  6. Matthew G.

    So who gets to stay when Andy's ready in a couple weeks? I imagine Phil keeps his spot and Freddy goes to the pen?

    • Mike

      Andy will take Freddy's spot. If Hughes continue to struggle (I believe he will), then give me Phelps… or give me death.

  7. jacques

    This taught us that 1. There is never such thing as too much pitchers 2. Trading for pitchers ESP. Youngsters are risky.
    Yankees are doomed come playoff time if Kuroda is inconsistent and Hughes doesn't recover.
    I've said it all along how Montero should have stayed; I'm not trying to sound like a genius but this feeling is quite bitter

  8. Matt

    I didnt like the trade when it happend and i really dont like it now . cashman should resign tomorrow …

    • Sorry, but that’s just idiotic. Injuries happen. Period.

      • Matt

        Trading for a young unproven pitcher with your best hitting prospect is idiotic. Why will no one admit this trade was horrible… Just to be clear they should have gotten a starter that had multiple good years for montero if they were intent on parting with him. Not a one year MLB experience guy . But yeah I'm idiotic for thinking that…lol

        • David

          I hardly call Pineda's success in the AL as "unproven" over a full-season's body of work; combined with another stud pitching prospect at a lower-level for also giving up Noesi (who was a literal spare part for the Yankees). It wasn't a bad trade; we just got hosed.

        • Calling for Cashman’s head is idiotic. Sorry, just is.

        • mikeNicoletti

          To make what you said factually accurate, "Trading for a young all star pitcher with no injury history for your best hitting prospect who has proven far less in the majors". You aren't making yourself come off any better with that defense.

          • Matt

            1 full season is not long "body of work" to judge a pitcher and his durabilty or quality. In the end I'm just fan who thinks this trade stinks for the Yankees and montero , maybe I just liked montero too much who knows … Further I wasn't saying to chop his head off , just fire him . Find a more conservative gm who keeps youth unless its for a sure thing. I am growing tired of seeing ibanez,Jones, and chavez or some combination of the three in the lineup every night. Montero should have been in there but instead they have a pitching prospect and now a pitcher who may never pitch in the majors again

        • BrienJackson

          "Just to be clear they should have gotten a starter that had multiple good years for montero…"

          So you don't like getting Pineda AND Campos for Montero and Noesi, but you'd be fine with…what? Putting together a larger package than what the Nats or Reds gave up to get Gonzalez or Latos?

          • Matt

            I would not have traded montero at all , used him at DH and back up catcher. If I had to though It would have been a package yes , to get a sure #1 type pitcher in return otherwise it doesn't seem worth it. Again just my opinion , and yes someone should be held accountable in the organization . Accountability is rare though… Unfortunately Hughes is the perfect example of 1year pitchers not to trade for…

          • BrienJackson

            Who does one "hold accountable" for being so perfidious as to allow a labrum to tear?

          • Matt

            Solid use of perfidious ..lol This is not the only bad move cashman has made , its not so much the labrum as it is the bottom line. the trade wasn't worth it. I would like to see cashman gone. I would like him to take jones with him. lets put hughes in the pen and let phelps start. andy replaces freddy and bring in a speedy outfield bench player to replace father time. I could stand losing with "hungry" youth on the field, then watch jones trot around with the i dont give a crap look in the outfield, he rarely runs out grounder anymore. lack of hustle is sad and not acceptable on my yankees…

  9. Tamar Chalker

    Ugh, what terrible news – all the more reason to be happy to see Andy throwing in Trenton tonight.

    • jay_robertson

      Yup – all of a sudden, the strange, bizarre, and seemingly pointless signing of Andy out of retirement has become our Princess Leah moment; "Help us, Andy-won – you're our only hope."

      Raise your hands, anyone who DIDN'T think signing Petite was foolish – after 4 times thru the rotation, all of a sudden everyone's counting on him to be our #2 starter.

  10. Paul Marino

    Well now the issue is replacing pineda in the long term. Plan for the worst hope for the best and all that. While I have heard rave reviews of banuelos and betances Mitchell's outings in spring training impressed me. Could he be ready for the 2013 season if Pinedas shoulder doesnt come back.

  11. steve

    This sucks, I feel bad for the guy. They will survive this. Even is Pineda never pitches again, Montero for Campos will be a fine trade for us.

    This isn't anyone's fault. Stuff happens. The monday morning QB'ing should be about not going all in and getting King Felix……

  12. VinceCT

    What Matt, and some other are missing, is that Montero is still unproven as well. Sure he was dynamite when he came up last season but there is no proof he can do that for a full season.

    What gets me is that Cash makes a two-for-two trade that is pretty much even and it blows up in his face. How many other teams seemed to overpay for young pitchers (ex. Wash. for Gio) and for now not seem to get burned?

    Like our humble host Jason says, shit happens.

  13. Magnus

    The two pitchers I wanted to see the most this season: Joba, and Pineda…ugh…This just highlights how fickle pitching health is. The Yankees are no less lucky or more lucky than any other team. Pitchers get hurt, it happens to every team. ALOT. I am interested in the Rangers experiment into higher pitch counts, and if more work rather than less works for their starters.

  14. brian

    Like many baseball fans, ive learned to appreciate the value of working counts and walks and ops and not giving away outs etc. etc…

    but there's something to be said for a guy with the potential to put up bigtime batting average/hr/rbi numbers, something i thought montero could do

    i know he didnt have a position… but montero could be a guy you build a lineup around, a true cleanup hitter… for all the craziness… tell me… how much winning to Manny Ramirez' teams do???
    …correct answer, A LOT

    • BrienJackson

      To be much more clear: not only did Montero "not have a position," the Yankees *already have substantial commitments* to two players to play 1B and (likely) DH over the next ~5 years, which becomes a real problem if Montero doesn't catch.

  15. Evan

    Note to self: you can never, ever, everrrr have enough pitching!

    The one thing that I've been thinking about all night is: What if we didn't trade AJ?

    I know I am in the minority on this one, but my gut told me that he was going to have a solid year for us. We could use him now, instead of paying the pirates to take him from us…never enough pitching.

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